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Heb. Ch. 4 declares that many Israelitesdid not gain rest because they lacked faith.
Correct, they were unbelieving.
But what you are not considering is that the rest in view is physical rest, entrance into the promised land and the provisions it afforded.
Not a single one of the received the REST of Christ.
10:38 refers to Have. 2:3, which had, long before, said that "the just live by faith"...&the Lord has no pleasure in those that lack it/draw back.
And this is true of the Old Testament Saints: they lived by faith. But as I mentioned before...they were not eternally redeemed.
Big difference.
No man received eternal life prior to the coming of the Promised Spirit, at Pentecost, when both Jew and Gentile began to be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Or in other words, Christ began immersing men into Himself in Eternal Union.
That is the salvation all men were promised, and that began only after the Son, through His death on the Cross, and His Resurrection...redeemed men from the Law:
John 1:11-13 King James Version (KJV)
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Galatians 4:4-6 King James Version (KJV)
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Chapter 11 lauds the faith of many, including Abraham, but don't miss the lead-in...10:39 "we are not part of those that draw back...but are part of those that believe SO THAT THE SOUL IS SAVED."
!0:39 is not a "lead-in," it is a conclusion drawn upon the teaching of the Chapter.
And again, as mentioned, they were not made perfect (complete in regards to remission of sins (Hebrews 10:1-14)), nor did they receive the promises of the Old Testament, those given them by God. Take this promise, for example...
Galatians 3:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
If you read Galatians 3 you will see that the blessing in view is The Seed, Jesus Christ. Abraham did not receive Christ in his lifetime, he died without receiving that promise, hence he was not made complete in regards to sin. That is why he, and his offspring...had to offer up sacrifice to receive the temporary and temporal atonement and remission of sin through vicarious animal death.
ABRAHAM'S name follows in the list of the faithful who are so saved.
So where is the Scripture that teaches he was "saved?"
He was justified. But he needed to be eternally redeemed through Christ. And no man was redeemed until He came (the Incarnation), and then died on the Cross.
John 3:3-5 King James Version (KJV)
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:9-15 King James Version (KJV)
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
The everlasting life Christ teaches of here, and throughout His ministry, is a result of...His death on the Cross. We do not exclude the importance of the Resurrection, though:
1 Peter 1:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
How can you make the subject anything else?!
I don't make the subject something else, this is what Hebrews 11 teaches. And you state the same thing when you refer to "the fulfilled salvation." Unfortunately you make that to be glorification, which is not the case. What the Old Testament Saints died apart from was the applied Atonement. There is not a single Scripture that promotes the idea that the Atonement was applied in advance to the Cross, and many that explicitly teach that it was not app;lied until after it took place. For example:
Hebrews 9:12-15 King James Version (KJV)
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
The error in your position is that of overlooking what it is that the redeemed wait for...
On the contrary, I overlook nothing. You can explain why the Old Testament Saints offered up the sacrifices God said He would give atonement and remission of sins for...
Leviticus 4:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And he shall do with the bullock as he did with the bullock for a sin offering, so shall he do with this: and the priest shall make an atonement for them, and it shall be forgiven them.
(This is given as an example. See also: www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=atonement&qs_version=KJV
...yet after Christ redeems man from the Law (Galatians 4:4-6, see above) there is no more sacrifice:
Hebrews 10:14-18 King James Version (KJV)
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
This is something Abraham was not even promised (except by vague promise of the Redeemer, He who all families of the earth would be blessed through), much less received.
Christ is fulfilled salvation, not glorification. We await that (as do the Old Testament Saints and all who have died in Christ since Pentecost) just as the Old Testament Saints awaited Eternal Redemption, which is bestowed through Christ.
Paul speaks very clearly of it as "the redemption of our bodies"!
Speaks of what? Not what you are saying, for Paul spoke often of the fact that salvation is accomplished in Christ. When we are saved through faith in Christ we receive Eternal Salvation:
Romans 3:21-25 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
This is saying the same thing Hebrews 9:12-15 states: the redemption of the sins of the Old Testament Saint that were not redeemed by the blood of bulls and goats (Hebrews 10:1-4)
There is no "incomplete remission" of OT saints because remission has always been granted due to faith, not due to ceremony!
It's not me you are arguing with, it the Writer of Hebrews, and ultimately the Holy Ghost. The One that inspired him to write what he wrote.
Not sure why you don't understand a very simple statement:
Hebrews 11:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Hebrews 11:39-40 King James Version (KJV)
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
And he makes it twice.
Why do you think God detested Israel's sacrafices?
Because they offered up not according to the Law. They offered up sacrifice that meant nothing to them, it was rote ritual.
Hebb.4:2 makes plain that it is the element of faith that is necessary for salvation!
Agreed, but, we are not saved by faith through grace, we are saved by grace through faith.
No man can be saved until God intervenes. He reveals His will to man, man responds, and is either justified by faith in that received of God or not.
In addition "by" vs. "through" does not divide past action from continuing action. You "came by car" or "are coming by car", not "came by" or "came through".
It was not until Pentecost any believers were in a car, David. Then they were in one Accord.
You are using a far different context in your example. I explained what I meant:
As to the distinction of b"y faith" as opposed to "through faith," I would suggest this looks back to those who "were" justified by their faith and those who are "being" justified through faith. The former speaks of past faith, the latter speaking of ongoing faith because those in view are still alive. Verse 31 seems to indicate the two Ages, that when the (Covenant of) Law was in effect, and the current one in which the (Covenant of) Law has been abrogated by the New Covenant.
To add to that, let's look at the Scripture:
Romans 3:29-31 King James Version (KJV)
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
There is a clear distinction drawn between the Era of division between Jew and Gentile, and the Era where both are one in Christ. Keep in mind an important part of this passage deals with the fact that the Jews received the Word of God, and that under the Law the Gentile had to conform to the Law to show his faith genuine. He is looking back when he speaks of "making the Law void though faith (in Christ)," to that Era it was in effect. "By" speaks of past faith," and "through" speaks of future faith, to include those still living at the time and extending to those that would come to saving knowledge of Christ and place faith in Him.
If you have a different explanation, I'd love to hear it.
All Israel Wii be saved "by" the faithfulness of God, however.
This too is looking towards the future, it is Prophecy:
Romans 11:25-27 King James Version (KJV)
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
There is coming a time when the fullness of the Gentiles will come in, or end, and at that time the Deliverer promised to Israel by God, on a National basis, will come.
"All Israel will be saved" because as the Lord taught...no man will enter the (Millennial) Kingdom of God unless he is born again. Those not born again during the Tribulation will be destroyed, as taught in Matthew 25 and Revelation 19.
While we are indeed saved by the grace of God, we do not divorce faith from that grace. As long as we keep the ordo salutis in a proper perspective there is no conflict.
He has promised it and is faithful to keep His word...that is why, and that is what is different with Israel vs. all others.
I agree, but, what I am trying to tell you is that in the Old Testament they were given the promise of what would happen in the future, the Gospel of Christ (which is the hidden wisdom of God, kept secret since the beginning of the world) beginning in Genesis 3:15.
But they didn't receive the fulfillment of the promise, that is the point
And unfortunately the Reformers took an erroneous Catholic Doctrine (that Justification of the Old Testament Saint equates to Eternal Redemption in Christ) and tweaked it. Both are in error.
Now, I have to answer the question of the OP's title, was Abraham saved?
The answer is yes, but, the truth is that all who will be saved were saved from an eternal perspective before the world was even created. That doesn't negate the need that one come to Christ personally, though. Abraham was saved from the eternal perspective during hi lifetime, but the primary issue we are dealing with is the erroneous belief that Abraham was "saved" on an equal basis as we are, because Abraham was not a born again believer in Christ. Not a single Disciple of Christ was in Christ until Pentecost, just to put this into perspective. When Abraham died, he yet awaited redemption through Christ. That took place when Christ died in his stead on the Cross. It was then he received that which was only Promise in his day.
As to the Poster's assertion that Hebrews 11 is speaking of glorification, this is not the case. We do await the redemption of our bodies just as the Old Testament Saints awaited Redemption of their sins through Christ. We are both, we and the Old Testament Saints, equal in salvation at that point, for they received the Atonement postmortem whereas we receive it when we are born again. There are numerous threads on this Forum discussing those issues, so I won't go into great detail here. I will just say, yes, Abraham was saved from an eternal perspective, and this through justification which was the result of, first, God's intervention. God revealed to Abraham His will and His Promises. That is why Paul writes we are saved by grace through faith, not the other way around. Secondly, we see that God's grace in revealing His will resulted in faith. And because of that faith Abraham was justified.
Not eternally redeemed, but his eternal destiny was just as secure as our own is.
God bless.
Heb. Ch. 4 declares that many Israelitesdid not gain rest because they lacked faith.
Correct, they were unbelieving.
But what you are not considering is that the rest in view is physical rest, entrance into the promised land and the provisions it afforded.
Not a single one of the received the REST of Christ.
10:38 refers to Have. 2:3, which had, long before, said that "the just live by faith"...&the Lord has no pleasure in those that lack it/draw back.
And this is true of the Old Testament Saints: they lived by faith. But as I mentioned before...they were not eternally redeemed.
Big difference.
No man received eternal life prior to the coming of the Promised Spirit, at Pentecost, when both Jew and Gentile began to be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Or in other words, Christ began immersing men into Himself in Eternal Union.
That is the salvation all men were promised, and that began only after the Son, through His death on the Cross, and His Resurrection...redeemed men from the Law:
John 1:11-13 King James Version (KJV)
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Galatians 4:4-6 King James Version (KJV)
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Chapter 11 lauds the faith of many, including Abraham, but don't miss the lead-in...10:39 "we are not part of those that draw back...but are part of those that believe SO THAT THE SOUL IS SAVED."
!0:39 is not a "lead-in," it is a conclusion drawn upon the teaching of the Chapter.
And again, as mentioned, they were not made perfect (complete in regards to remission of sins (Hebrews 10:1-14)), nor did they receive the promises of the Old Testament, those given them by God. Take this promise, for example...
Galatians 3:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
If you read Galatians 3 you will see that the blessing in view is The Seed, Jesus Christ. Abraham did not receive Christ in his lifetime, he died without receiving that promise, hence he was not made complete in regards to sin. That is why he, and his offspring...had to offer up sacrifice to receive the temporary and temporal atonement and remission of sin through vicarious animal death.
ABRAHAM'S name follows in the list of the faithful who are so saved.
So where is the Scripture that teaches he was "saved?"
He was justified. But he needed to be eternally redeemed through Christ. And no man was redeemed until He came (the Incarnation), and then died on the Cross.
John 3:3-5 King James Version (KJV)
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:9-15 King James Version (KJV)
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
The everlasting life Christ teaches of here, and throughout His ministry, is a result of...His death on the Cross. We do not exclude the importance of the Resurrection, though:
1 Peter 1:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
How can you make the subject anything else?!
I don't make the subject something else, this is what Hebrews 11 teaches. And you state the same thing when you refer to "the fulfilled salvation." Unfortunately you make that to be glorification, which is not the case. What the Old Testament Saints died apart from was the applied Atonement. There is not a single Scripture that promotes the idea that the Atonement was applied in advance to the Cross, and many that explicitly teach that it was not app;lied until after it took place. For example:
Hebrews 9:12-15 King James Version (KJV)
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
The error in your position is that of overlooking what it is that the redeemed wait for...
On the contrary, I overlook nothing. You can explain why the Old Testament Saints offered up the sacrifices God said He would give atonement and remission of sins for...
Leviticus 4:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And he shall do with the bullock as he did with the bullock for a sin offering, so shall he do with this: and the priest shall make an atonement for them, and it shall be forgiven them.
(This is given as an example. See also: www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=atonement&qs_version=KJV
...yet after Christ redeems man from the Law (Galatians 4:4-6, see above) there is no more sacrifice:
Hebrews 10:14-18 King James Version (KJV)
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
This is something Abraham was not even promised (except by vague promise of the Redeemer, He who all families of the earth would be blessed through), much less received.
the fulfilled salvation.
Christ is fulfilled salvation, not glorification. We await that (as do the Old Testament Saints and all who have died in Christ since Pentecost) just as the Old Testament Saints awaited Eternal Redemption, which is bestowed through Christ.
Paul speaks very clearly of it as "the redemption of our bodies"!
Speaks of what? Not what you are saying, for Paul spoke often of the fact that salvation is accomplished in Christ. When we are saved through faith in Christ we receive Eternal Salvation:
Romans 3:21-25 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
This is saying the same thing Hebrews 9:12-15 states: the redemption of the sins of the Old Testament Saint that were not redeemed by the blood of bulls and goats (Hebrews 10:1-4)
There is no "incomplete remission" of OT saints because remission has always been granted due to faith, not due to ceremony!
It's not me you are arguing with, it the Writer of Hebrews, and ultimately the Holy Ghost. The One that inspired him to write what he wrote.
Not sure why you don't understand a very simple statement:
Hebrews 11:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Hebrews 11:39-40 King James Version (KJV)
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
And he makes it twice.
Why do you think God detested Israel's sacrafices?
Because they offered up not according to the Law. They offered up sacrifice that meant nothing to them, it was rote ritual.
Hebb.4:2 makes plain that it is the element of faith that is necessary for salvation!
Agreed, but, we are not saved by faith through grace, we are saved by grace through faith.
No man can be saved until God intervenes. He reveals His will to man, man responds, and is either justified by faith in that received of God or not.
In addition "by" vs. "through" does not divide past action from continuing action. You "came by car" or "are coming by car", not "came by" or "came through".
It was not until Pentecost any believers were in a car, David. Then they were in one Accord.
You are using a far different context in your example. I explained what I meant:
As to the distinction of b"y faith" as opposed to "through faith," I would suggest this looks back to those who "were" justified by their faith and those who are "being" justified through faith. The former speaks of past faith, the latter speaking of ongoing faith because those in view are still alive. Verse 31 seems to indicate the two Ages, that when the (Covenant of) Law was in effect, and the current one in which the (Covenant of) Law has been abrogated by the New Covenant.
To add to that, let's look at the Scripture:
Romans 3:29-31 King James Version (KJV)
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
There is a clear distinction drawn between the Era of division between Jew and Gentile, and the Era where both are one in Christ. Keep in mind an important part of this passage deals with the fact that the Jews received the Word of God, and that under the Law the Gentile had to conform to the Law to show his faith genuine. He is looking back when he speaks of "making the Law void though faith (in Christ)," to that Era it was in effect. "By" speaks of past faith," and "through" speaks of future faith, to include those still living at the time and extending to those that would come to saving knowledge of Christ and place faith in Him.
If you have a different explanation, I'd love to hear it.
All Israel Wii be saved "by" the faithfulness of God, however.
This too is looking towards the future, it is Prophecy:
Romans 11:25-27 King James Version (KJV)
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
There is coming a time when the fullness of the Gentiles will come in, or end, and at that time the Deliverer promised to Israel by God, on a National basis, will come.
"All Israel will be saved" because as the Lord taught...no man will enter the (Millennial) Kingdom of God unless he is born again. Those not born again during the Tribulation will be destroyed, as taught in Matthew 25 and Revelation 19.
Not "through" their faith...in spite of it's lack!
While we are indeed saved by the grace of God, we do not divorce faith from that grace. As long as we keep the ordo salutis in a proper perspective there is no conflict.
He has promised it and is faithful to keep His word...that is why, and that is what is different with Israel vs. all others.
I agree, but, what I am trying to tell you is that in the Old Testament they were given the promise of what would happen in the future, the Gospel of Christ (which is the hidden wisdom of God, kept secret since the beginning of the world) beginning in Genesis 3:15.
But they didn't receive the fulfillment of the promise, that is the point
And unfortunately the Reformers took an erroneous Catholic Doctrine (that Justification of the Old Testament Saint equates to Eternal Redemption in Christ) and tweaked it. Both are in error.
Now, I have to answer the question of the OP's title, was Abraham saved?
The answer is yes, but, the truth is that all who will be saved were saved from an eternal perspective before the world was even created. That doesn't negate the need that one come to Christ personally, though. Abraham was saved from the eternal perspective during hi lifetime, but the primary issue we are dealing with is the erroneous belief that Abraham was "saved" on an equal basis as we are, because Abraham was not a born again believer in Christ. Not a single Disciple of Christ was in Christ until Pentecost, just to put this into perspective. When Abraham died, he yet awaited redemption through Christ. That took place when Christ died in his stead on the Cross. It was then he received that which was only Promise in his day.
As to the Poster's assertion that Hebrews 11 is speaking of glorification, this is not the case. We do await the redemption of our bodies just as the Old Testament Saints awaited Redemption of their sins through Christ. We are both, we and the Old Testament Saints, equal in salvation at that point, for they received the Atonement postmortem whereas we receive it when we are born again. There are numerous threads on this Forum discussing those issues, so I won't go into great detail here. I will just say, yes, Abraham was saved from an eternal perspective, and this through justification which was the result of, first, God's intervention. God revealed to Abraham His will and His Promises. That is why Paul writes we are saved by grace through faith, not the other way around. Secondly, we see that God's grace in revealing His will resulted in faith. And because of that faith Abraham was justified.
Not eternally redeemed, but his eternal destiny was just as secure as our own is.
God bless.