Post by Admin on Oct 28, 2018 12:02:23 GMT
Hebrews 10:26...Again
Response: That you think Hebrews is all about drifting back into unbelief you show that you have never studied the Book, David.
Do you think the Children of Israel in the Wilderness were saved? Redeemed on an eternal basis? Likely you do, because popular pulpit mythology teaches that men were eternally saved in the Old Testament looking forward to the Cross, while we are "saved" looking back.
Nothing could be further from the truth. And this is what Hebrews is about:
Hebrews 9:12-15 King James Version (KJV)
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
A Hebrew telling his Hebrew brethren to embrace Christ because His Sacrifice is the only means of Eternal Redemption and the remission of sins that were under the Law. In other words, those who were under Law, which would include these First Century Jews, were not eternally redeemed through the Law, nor did anyone, anyone David...receive eternal life while under the Law (or prior to the Law).
If you say that those who rejected Christ, His Sacrifice, His Covenant, and the Ministry of the Comforter are believers who are saved then you need to equally (be able to) conclude that the parallel group, those who rejected the Covenant of Law, were saved too.
And you can't do that. You can't even conclude reasonably that those rejecting Christ were saved:
Hebrews 10:25-29 King James Version (KJV)
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
We have those who rejected the Covenant of Law, and those who rejected the New Covenant, which is why they forsake the assembling of the brethren.
Now I am going to show you why you cannot conclude this, though I am sure you will not receive it, because to do so would be to admit that you are wrong, and have been wrong, and I know man's pride simply will not allow that usually. But here it goes:
Hebrews 10:1-4 King James Version (KJV)
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
The context of this chapter begins in a sole context of Remission of Sins, and his point here is that the sacrifices of the Law (and if you consult Hebrews 12:24 you'll see the Writer takes it back to the sacrifices of Abel) had to be continually offered because they...
...could not make the comers thereunto (the worshipers (and Hebrews 9 makes it clear those offering were not made perfect either)) perfect.
Perfection speaks of completion. The Greek is teleioō and it means...to carry through completely; to accomplish, finish, bring to an end.
So he begins by telling us that the sacrifices of the Law could not carry through completely the reason why the sacrifices were offered, which was for the purpose of atonement and remission of sins.
He goes on to tell us what can:
Hebrews 10:12-14 King James Version (KJV)
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Same word used here. We do not have to guess if this is saying, in contrast to the sacrifices of the Law, that His Sacrifice makes one complete forever in regards to Remission of sins, because the Writer makes it clear. Note v.12, His Sacrifice was for sins, and if we contrast that with v.4 we see the sacrifices of the Law did not take away sins, nor the penalty, but His does, and does so on an eternal basis. So when you get to vv.26-29, and conclude that those in view are judged for their sin on an eternal basis (and Eternal judgment is in view in vv.26-29), what you do is completely, perfectly...nullify what he teaches in the first part of the Chapter.
So your conclusion is in error.
And we are not yet done, because he goes on to show that our being made complete in regard to remission of sins is based on the Promise of God:
Hebrews 10:14-18 King James Version (KJV)
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
God promised not to remember sins, and that is the case when one is sanctified by Christ (v.10). When Christ's Sacrifice is applied to the account of the believer...there is no more offering for sin. This is the same thing said here...
Hebrews 10:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
In the case of those who have been sanctified by Christ, there is no more offering for sin. That is because they have been forgiven on an eternal basis, made perfect (complete) in regards to remission of sins forever.
In the case of those who forsake the assembling of the brethren because they have rejected Christ...there is no more offering for sin because they have no other sacrifice they can turn to. Again, this is based on the promise of God:
Hebrews 8:7-13 King James Version (KJV)
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
When the New Covenant was to be established, the Promise of God was remission of sins on an eternal basis, He would remember their/our sins...no more.
And the Old Testament Saints did not receive that promise:
Hebrews 11:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Hebrews 11:39-40 King James Version (KJV)
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Which brings me back to one of the original points, no man received eternal redemption and remission of sins in the Old Testament. Those are New Covenant elements fulfilled in Christ, and when Christ died on the Cross in our stead.
You really need to spend some time in Hebrews, you will not regret it, because it will help you turn your faith to Christ instead of yourself. Though usually the L.O.S.T. (loss of salvation teachers) usually do not view themselves as those who could possibly fall away.
A Facebook debater said:
I can't believe that you cannot see from your own conclusion that only believers are sanctified by the blood of the Covenant... but if those believers continue in wilfull sin, they will drist back into unbelief, which is what Hebrews is all about.
I can't believe that you cannot see from your own conclusion that only believers are sanctified by the blood of the Covenant... but if those believers continue in wilfull sin, they will drist back into unbelief, which is what Hebrews is all about.
Response: That you think Hebrews is all about drifting back into unbelief you show that you have never studied the Book, David.
Do you think the Children of Israel in the Wilderness were saved? Redeemed on an eternal basis? Likely you do, because popular pulpit mythology teaches that men were eternally saved in the Old Testament looking forward to the Cross, while we are "saved" looking back.
Nothing could be further from the truth. And this is what Hebrews is about:
Hebrews 9:12-15 King James Version (KJV)
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
A Hebrew telling his Hebrew brethren to embrace Christ because His Sacrifice is the only means of Eternal Redemption and the remission of sins that were under the Law. In other words, those who were under Law, which would include these First Century Jews, were not eternally redeemed through the Law, nor did anyone, anyone David...receive eternal life while under the Law (or prior to the Law).
If you say that those who rejected Christ, His Sacrifice, His Covenant, and the Ministry of the Comforter are believers who are saved then you need to equally (be able to) conclude that the parallel group, those who rejected the Covenant of Law, were saved too.
And you can't do that. You can't even conclude reasonably that those rejecting Christ were saved:
Hebrews 10:25-29 King James Version (KJV)
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
We have those who rejected the Covenant of Law, and those who rejected the New Covenant, which is why they forsake the assembling of the brethren.
Now I am going to show you why you cannot conclude this, though I am sure you will not receive it, because to do so would be to admit that you are wrong, and have been wrong, and I know man's pride simply will not allow that usually. But here it goes:
Hebrews 10:1-4 King James Version (KJV)
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
The context of this chapter begins in a sole context of Remission of Sins, and his point here is that the sacrifices of the Law (and if you consult Hebrews 12:24 you'll see the Writer takes it back to the sacrifices of Abel) had to be continually offered because they...
...could not make the comers thereunto (the worshipers (and Hebrews 9 makes it clear those offering were not made perfect either)) perfect.
Perfection speaks of completion. The Greek is teleioō and it means...to carry through completely; to accomplish, finish, bring to an end.
So he begins by telling us that the sacrifices of the Law could not carry through completely the reason why the sacrifices were offered, which was for the purpose of atonement and remission of sins.
He goes on to tell us what can:
Hebrews 10:12-14 King James Version (KJV)
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Same word used here. We do not have to guess if this is saying, in contrast to the sacrifices of the Law, that His Sacrifice makes one complete forever in regards to Remission of sins, because the Writer makes it clear. Note v.12, His Sacrifice was for sins, and if we contrast that with v.4 we see the sacrifices of the Law did not take away sins, nor the penalty, but His does, and does so on an eternal basis. So when you get to vv.26-29, and conclude that those in view are judged for their sin on an eternal basis (and Eternal judgment is in view in vv.26-29), what you do is completely, perfectly...nullify what he teaches in the first part of the Chapter.
So your conclusion is in error.
And we are not yet done, because he goes on to show that our being made complete in regard to remission of sins is based on the Promise of God:
Hebrews 10:14-18 King James Version (KJV)
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
God promised not to remember sins, and that is the case when one is sanctified by Christ (v.10). When Christ's Sacrifice is applied to the account of the believer...there is no more offering for sin. This is the same thing said here...
Hebrews 10:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
In the case of those who have been sanctified by Christ, there is no more offering for sin. That is because they have been forgiven on an eternal basis, made perfect (complete) in regards to remission of sins forever.
In the case of those who forsake the assembling of the brethren because they have rejected Christ...there is no more offering for sin because they have no other sacrifice they can turn to. Again, this is based on the promise of God:
Hebrews 8:7-13 King James Version (KJV)
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
When the New Covenant was to be established, the Promise of God was remission of sins on an eternal basis, He would remember their/our sins...no more.
And the Old Testament Saints did not receive that promise:
Hebrews 11:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Hebrews 11:39-40 King James Version (KJV)
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Which brings me back to one of the original points, no man received eternal redemption and remission of sins in the Old Testament. Those are New Covenant elements fulfilled in Christ, and when Christ died on the Cross in our stead.
You really need to spend some time in Hebrews, you will not regret it, because it will help you turn your faith to Christ instead of yourself. Though usually the L.O.S.T. (loss of salvation teachers) usually do not view themselves as those who could possibly fall away.